Knowns / Assumptions:
1) Average person on treatment = 150 lbs (68 kg)
2) LR-MDS Dosage = 7.1 mg/kg
3) Treatment Frequency = Every 4 weeks (3X per quarter)
4) Product Costs
-- 47mg Vial = $2,471
-- 188mg Vial = $9,884
Basic Computations:
1) 68kg X 7.1mg/kg = 483mg per treatment
2) 483mg = (2)(188mg) + (3)(47mg) = $21,181 per treatment
3) $21,181 X 3 treatments = $81,543 per quarter (per patient)
Q3 Results:
1) Per the Company, we had 160 patients on treatment as of Aug. 8th.
2) The consensus forecast was for $16.34M in Q3 revenue.
* $16.34M / $81,543 = 200 patients
3) Actual Q3 revenue = $28.2M
* $28.2M / $81,543 = 346 patients
4) Q3 Gross-to-Net Revenue Adjustment was 14% (per Michelle Robertson)
* $28.3M / ($81,543 X 0.86) = 402 patients (full quarter equivalent)
New Info / Observations:
1) In the Q&A portion, Michelle Robertson told us to model a 15% Gross-to-Net adjustment for future sales.
* She stated the actual G-T-N for Q3 was 14%.
2) We had 160 patients as of 8/8. Our Q3 revenues reflect an equivalent of 402 "full-quarter" patients.
* Actual number of patients at end of Q3 has to be in excess of 402 to achieve such results.
3) Break-Even = $70M / ($81,543 X .85) = ~1000 patients
* Michelle indicated we might reach BE status in 2-3 quarters.
4) There are an estimated 13,200 LR-MDS patients in the USA.
* Given the ineffectiveness of other treatments, a high percentage of LR-MDS patients will try Rytelo (at some point).
* At a 40% effective rate, we can assume a steady-state patient population of ~5300 LR-MDS patients.
* With a BE of ~1000 patients, one can see the profit potential associated with the USA LR-MDS market alone.
* Ex-US sales will be less profitable, but they will still be incremental to these figures.
5) Michelle stated (twice) the company expects to retire the Royalty agreement prior to the 6/30/2031 date.
* I invite readers to do the math on the cumulative sales required to achieve such an outcome. See terms below...
Royalty Pharma has provided $125 million at closing and will receive tiered royalty payments on U.S. net sales of RYTELO, ranging from 7.75% of annual net sales up to $500 million, 3.0% of annual net sales between $500 million and $1.0 billion, and 1.0% of annual net sales over $1 billion. Payments to Royalty Pharma will cease if the aggregate royalties payable through June 30, 2031, reach a multiple of 1.65 its investment, otherwise the royalty payments will continue until Royalty Pharma receives a multiple of 2.0 its investment. There are no other royalties payable on RYTELO, which was developed internally and is exclusively owned by Geron.
Back of the Envelope #2
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Re: Back of the Envelope #2
Went back to look at this Back of the Envelope and also see the reference to Royalty Pharma here….
By the way, Royalty Pharma reports their earnings on May 8, a day after Geron. Wonder if Geron coordinates that:
By the way, Royalty Pharma reports their earnings on May 8, a day after Geron. Wonder if Geron coordinates that:
Hoosier Investor wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:16 pm Knowns / Assumptions:
1) Average person on treatment = 150 lbs (68 kg)
2) LR-MDS Dosage = 7.1 mg/kg
3) Treatment Frequency = Every 4 weeks (3X per quarter)
4) Product Costs
-- 47mg Vial = $2,471
-- 188mg Vial = $9,884
Basic Computations:
1) 68kg X 7.1mg/kg = 483mg per treatment
2) 483mg = (2)(188mg) + (3)(47mg) = $21,181 per treatment
3) $21,181 X 3 treatments = $81,543 per quarter (per patient)
Q3 Results:
1) Per the Company, we had 160 patients on treatment as of Aug. 8th.
2) The consensus forecast was for $16.34M in Q3 revenue.
* $16.34M / $81,543 = 200 patients
3) Actual Q3 revenue = $28.2M
* $28.2M / $81,543 = 346 patients
4) Q3 Gross-to-Net Revenue Adjustment was 14% (per Michelle Robertson)
* $28.3M / ($81,543 X 0.86) = 402 patients (full quarter equivalent)
New Info / Observations:
1) In the Q&A portion, Michelle Robertson told us to model a 15% Gross-to-Net adjustment for future sales.
* She stated the actual G-T-N for Q3 was 14%.
2) We had 160 patients as of 8/8. Our Q3 revenues reflect an equivalent of 402 "full-quarter" patients.
* Actual number of patients at end of Q3 has to be in excess of 402 to achieve such results.
3) Break-Even = $70M / ($81,543 X .85) = ~1000 patients
* Michelle indicated we might reach BE status in 2-3 quarters.
4) There are an estimated 13,200 LR-MDS patients in the USA.
* Given the ineffectiveness of other treatments, a high percentage of LR-MDS patients will try Rytelo (at some point).
* At a 40% effective rate, we can assume a steady-state patient population of ~5300 LR-MDS patients.
* With a BE of ~1000 patients, one can see the profit potential associated with the USA LR-MDS market alone.
* Ex-US sales will be less profitable, but they will still be incremental to these figures.
5) Michelle stated (twice) the company expects to retire the Royalty agreement prior to the 6/30/2031 date.
* I invite readers to do the math on the cumulative sales required to achieve such an outcome. See terms below...
Royalty Pharma has provided $125 million at closing and will receive tiered royalty payments on U.S. net sales of RYTELO, ranging from 7.75% of annual net sales up to $500 million, 3.0% of annual net sales between $500 million and $1.0 billion, and 1.0% of annual net sales over $1 billion. Payments to Royalty Pharma will cease if the aggregate royalties payable through June 30, 2031, reach a multiple of 1.65 its investment, otherwise the royalty payments will continue until Royalty Pharma receives a multiple of 2.0 its investment. There are no other royalties payable on RYTELO, which was developed internally and is exclusively owned by Geron.
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Re: Back of the Envelope #2
Operating expenses expected to be 270-285 for year 2025
Last quarter income 48M (generously annualized to 200M)
Up coming income should include established patients (lets assume drop out rate of 50% to bias these assumptions in a less optimistic manner)
Q 1 numbers WAG at 75M (established patients 25 M plus new patients 50M) annualized 300M beats break even
This assumes new our new management is effective, new invigorated marketing, higher profile PRs, patient/doctor testimonials.
Not factored, ASH presentations, 2026 data from IMpact/IMprove/IMpress, updates on B-cell diseases, oral agent development
May 7th should tell the story.
Last quarter income 48M (generously annualized to 200M)
Up coming income should include established patients (lets assume drop out rate of 50% to bias these assumptions in a less optimistic manner)
Q 1 numbers WAG at 75M (established patients 25 M plus new patients 50M) annualized 300M beats break even
This assumes new our new management is effective, new invigorated marketing, higher profile PRs, patient/doctor testimonials.
Not factored, ASH presentations, 2026 data from IMpact/IMprove/IMpress, updates on B-cell diseases, oral agent development
May 7th should tell the story.